Ripping SACDs


#1

I didn’t see a topic like this, so I thought I’d start one. I have seen some posts showing how others were ripping Sacds also.
I been doing a huge redo of my music library (1 TB ) digitalized. I am also starting to rip my sacds with a sony model 390 blu ray player. I found one for $27 shipped on Ebay. I’ve just starting learning and it is awesome. I’m using Sonore java program. Awesome doing some multi channels also. They sound great on Audirvana with my rig.
It has been so much fun. Especially finding out I did not have to go buy a $400-$500 Playstation 3.

Learning how to do was a little difficult for a slow learner like me. Maybe others can lend their experiences with doing this.


#2

I am sooo far away from ripping SACD’s that I have learned something from you. Maybe this topic can expanded to DSD and/or multichannel. I believe there already was a thread discussing DSD. IMHO,DSD and SACD can be talked about together even though they are technically separate but I believe that you must go through DSD to get to the SACD(Purple book specs). SACD was designed by Sony/ Phillips but by time it came to market,Sony carried the ball because i think Phillips was bought in the various asquisitions and mergers that led to today’s Universal Music Group(UMG). Sony really dropped the ball about SACD-both stereo and multi-channel. in fact,although Sony was co-creator of DSD/SACD,Sony almost single-handedly destroy their own creation. Sony Classical remains poorly-managed. The multi-channel aspect has been way over-looked and it is much more viable considering the multi-channel home theater systems that are available. Multi-Channel is way beyond the OLD Quadrophonic recording of the 1970’s which failed. The old quad sound has a very aggressive back channel presence and had no center channel. Any SACD multi-channel has a much more discrete back channel with a center channel that is a little more obvious but it should not overtake the left/right speaker configuration. I truly believe that a average to well-mastered/engineered SACD Multi-channel sounds better than any/most stereo recordings.


#3

In fact,I thought Sony designed SACD’s so that the “real true DSD” could not be ripped or accessed. I think there are a few devices that can output TRU-DSD. Most devices change to PCM. I may be wrong.


#4

That’s true.

The officially licensed players do not allow native output of any digital signal beyond either the Redbook layer (on hybrid SACDs) or a downsampled and PCM-converted 16/44.1 or 16/48 S/PDIF output.

There are some hacks, and terminal access, possible with some players, as well as the PS/3, that allow you to directly read the disc’s filesystem and pull the raw DSD content/files right off the disc. And, as such, it’s a bit less like “ripping” and a bit more like “treating the unit like a drive, and copying the files off”.

Some players, I think OPPO had one, could, when talking over a proprietary link/cable, send the actual DSD data to their own DACs … but I don’t know if that’s something they did under official approval or not.


#5

PS Audio said something about one of their devices being able to use pure DSD. If I remember,extremely expensive. Also,I think Marantz had a device to use Pure DSD. There is also a “Native DSD” website that goes into this issue. Torg,as the managing editor,is there not another discussion stream that talks about DSD. I can’t find it but I did not try every single discussion topic here. I would think that this discussion stream would fit with the other DSD stream. There is also two other discussion streams about “New Music” or “New Music really being Old Music”. Would it be simply impossible or just capricious to combine some threads that seem to be similar.


#6

Exactly. There are certain Sony Blu Ray Players and the PS 3 if it is under the 3.55 firmware I believe… I may be wrong but I believe the recordings are DSD recorded to SACD. With the rip of the SACD it becomes the .dff, dsf, or iso. All of which can be played via DSD playable Dacs that can then decode then decode the ripped formats. Sacd, .dff ,dsf. For me the choice is the .dfs since it captures the metadata. I’m still trying tolearn and understand this more.

An excellent source which I accidently stumbled into was at the Hi Fi Haven Forum
@Mikey Fresh, one of the moderators has an excellent step by step directions. It wasn’t easy for me to learn. Of course when I learned enough to at least start ripping Stereo and now Multi Channels it was easier for me.

Hence the expression is easy once you learn it. If you get a chance visit this link. http://www.hifihaven.org/index.php?threads/rip-sacd-with-a-blu-ray-player.3652/
It is a wonderful source to get up and running so one can archive there Sacds.
Lastly I can’t say enough how @MikeyFresh took time and walked me through the times I got stuck . It was a wonderful experience when I burned my first one. The link I mentioned will show you which Sony Blu Ray Players you can find on Ebay, in many cases for $25-$30 delivered.


#7

That’s exactly what I am referring to. Through the specially Sony Blu Ray Player one can ( I have ) extracted the DSD files with the play via Terminal access through the Java Sonore App.


#8

This is my first Sacd Multi Channel disked ripped:

1812

Magnificent Recording As close to perfect as it gets.

PS . I meant the recording and not the rip.


#9

If you don’t have the equipment, or the time, Ari from Golden Ear Digital will digitize SACDs for you…His website, with prices, etc are listed above. He did around 45 SACDs for me and coverted them to DSD 64 computer files. He can also covert them to flac files. Took about a five week turnaround. You supply the discs and a hard drive. I was happy with his work.

I tagged them into Roon MY TAGS section, and can go straight to the SACD collection as needed.


#10

I must add “if it’s free it’s for me”

Then again, I’m retired. Rips take about 10 minutes at about 3 mps. Multi are a little longer

I have heard of your guy and I understand he is honest and does good work


#11

Free is best no doubt. Ari does quality work. I can vouch for that.


#12

Thanks everyone for the info and the info is a keeper.


#13

$27 shipped? I just spent $380 on a used Oppo 103. Oh well. I ripped my SACD library of about 130 discs. This is the process in case anyone with an Oppo 103 or 105 wants to try. You will need:

  • Oppo 103 or 105
  • USB drive formatted as FAT32 (not sure if the player can ready other filesystems but that’s what I used). I used a 64GB drive because that’s what I had laying around.
  • Software for the Oppo and software for your computer (Windows and Mac available, probably Linux too). I got it from this thread at Computer Audiophile)
  • A network router (not strictly necessary, but that’s what I used) and network cable.

The thread I linked to above has detailed instructions but these are the basic steps:

With the player turned off insert the USB stick in the front slot.
Turn the player on. The tray should open.
Put an SACD in the tray and close it.
The software on the USB stick starts a server that listens to port 2002. Open the settings on the Oppo and navigate to the Network section and write down the IP Address.
On your computer put sacd_extract.exe (I used Windows) in the root of a disk and open a command prompt there and type in: sacd_extract -s -2 -P -i <Oppo’s IP Address>:2002

Then the program communicates with the server on the player and ripping should start within 20 s.
When it is done it write’s something like ‘We are done.’ . At the point you can put a different disk in the player, hit the up arrow (to recall the previous command you wrote in the command prompt) and run it again. And over and over… Of my 130 or so discs 3 or 4 could not be ripped. I think the Oppo didn’t recognize them as SACD’s. You will get an error if you put a non-SACD in the tray and try to rip it with this method.

If you want you can download a program from Sonore that is just a wrapper around sacd_extract. It is written in Java so you will need to have Java installed. I found the command prompt / terminal way to be faster.

The options for sacd_extract are:

Extraction parameters
Usage: sacd_extract [options] [outfile]

-2, --2ch-tracks : Export two channel tracks (default)
-m, --mch-tracks : Export multi-channel tracks
-e, --output-dsdiff-em : output as Philips DSDIFF (Edit Master) file
-p, --output-dsdiff : output as Philips DSDIFF file
-s, --output-dsf : output as Sony DSF file
-I, --output-iso : output as RAW ISO
-c, --convert-dst : convert DST to DSD
-C, --export-cue : Export a CUE Sheet
-i, --input[=FILE] : set source and determine if “iso” image,
device or server (ex. -i192.168.1.10:2002)
-P, --print : display disc and track information

Help options:
-?, --help : Show this help message
–usage : Display brief usage message

Good Luck!
Henrik


#14

@hnordberg

I looked forever for a fair price for 1st generation ps3 with low firmware which are requirements with ps3 ripping.
The link I posted above has had me ripping sacds both stereo and multichannel. I am also using the Sonore program. It takes about 3 mins to rip 2 channel and about 8-10 mins for multi. I couldn’t be happier being able to archive my Sacds. It took me 3-4 days to figure it out and now it I’m able to do it in my sleep. I was fortunate and as a result of the link I posted above, those guys showed me how to do it on a Sony BRP. It has to be the right one of many. It cost me $27 from Ebay delivered and I am very happy.


#15

How do ALL of you know for a 100% fact that you are ripping “Native DSD” or ripping the PCM?


#16

They are converted from the DSD stream output to .dff or .dfs files be it stereo or multichannel


#17

As you probably know they can only be played on dac that supports dff dfs files as well as a software such as Audirvana JRiver Amarra, etc.


#18

If you are using the method described above, then you will get the DSD from the SACD. The program used is open source and does extract and decode the Scarlet Book SACD format. The code is available from GitHub.


#19

Ok… Thank you. I am really very curious about this because;because I have “hundreds” of Physical SACD’s and there is also the question of buying truly :native DSD" online and there have been questions raised if that is indeed the case. There is also the question of “instruments” that will output Native DSD. May I ask you to name the “instrument” that you use to output native DSD of hardware SACD’s. I am very rarely an early adopter but I was an early adopter to DSD/SACD when first introduced in 2000(give or take). I bought the Sony SCD-1(stereo only) and then a player that did multi-channel. Something like the 555ES or whatever. Of course,Sony Records almost destroyed DSD/SACD with a terrible policy of offering music hardware(SACD’s) There is also the question of the level of your computer hardware to be involved in ripping DSD. You may have descibed your entire set-up but can you go through it step by step or copy/paste where you already have done so.


#20

I’m not quite sure what you mean by ‘instrument’. Do you mean what transport I used? If so it is an Oppo 103 universal player. But as stated above there are cheaper players that can be used.

I still buy SACDs now but partly because I trust certain labels such as Channel Classics to put out stellar discs.

As for step by step detailed instructions you will find those in the thread on Computer Audiophile I linked to, which also links to this document on DropBox which has even more details.

If you have specific questions I will do my best to answer those.