Questyle QP2R - Official Thread

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#21

USB DAC Functionality (macOS) - UPDATE!

I finally managed to get the USB DAC functionality to work.

Despite having already tried different cables (including the one that Questyle ship in the box), it turned out the problem WAS a cable issue.

Diagnosing this was made more difficult by the fact that the other cables worked fine for charging and data transfer - just not for use in USB DAC mode. Re-testing this shows the same behavior still. The cables that are now working are nothing exotic (one Amazon Basics, one Anker).

No actual configuration was required, and the unit correctly reported it’s capabilities to Audirvana+ and Roon, as well as to Core Audio.

The unit charges at the same time is playing, which means you can run it at your desk/off your laptop, and when it comes time to disconnect you’ll have more power available than when you started. There does not seem to be a way to make it not charge while playing.

Playback in USB-DAC mode is audibly indistinguishable to when playing form internal memory or from a microSD card. Which is to say the sound remains excellent!

One recommendation … don’t have your ear phones in when you connect it to your PC/Mac, as when it switches to USB-DAC mode it often makes some bizarre squealing noises. This only happens as you plug it in and the unit is otherwise perfectly behaved once it has initialized.

I tested using both macOS 10.13.6 (High Sierra) and 10.14 (Mojave) and it worked perfectly with both.

Starting playback is met with some clicking (through the heapdhones/IEMs). This does not persist into the music actually starting. This is the case with both PCM and DSD content, regardless of bit-rate.


#22

Any quick impressions compared to the WM1Z? I’m looking to pick up one of the two used.


#23

The QP2R is just over half the size and about half the weight of the WM1Z. The Sony has at least double the battery life of the Questyle unit. You’ll get Bluetooth DAC and Bluetooth output capability from the Sony, also. Both can operate as USB DACs with the latest respective firmwares. Both are solidly built, but the rattling of the scroll-wheel and volume control on the Questyle make it feel less so - but the Sony is a brick (literally) and the most solid DAP build I’ve ever seen.

The Sony has 4x the on-board storage at 256 Gb, and with the latest microSDXC cards can mount a total of 768 Gb, versus at most 576 Gb for the Questyle.

The QP2R has a very basic interface, more like a classic iPod than the modern touch-screen stuff. Navigation is much slower (not due to UI lag or anything like that, it’s just a less efficient model). Though it has configuration options for just about everything you can think of (down to which direction the volume control uses for up vs. down).

The UI on the Sony is excellent, with very fluid, rapid and flexible navigation, a much better, brighter, sharper and larger screen.

I think the QP2R works best for starting and album or playlist and just listening. Once you start interacting with the unit the Sony units give a better experience.

Sound wise, in terms of raw signature, the QP2R is classic AKM4490 “Velvet Sound” but with an unusually dynamic delivery. Which makes it less neutral than the WM1A. Vs. the WM1Z, which has a richer, more liquid, delivery - especially in the mid-range … and a slight, general, sense of overall warmth - without resorting to low-end bloom/emphasis to get it. That is using both of the Sony units in their “Direct” mode, with none of their proprietary processing enabled.

The WM1Z, if you have an uncapped version, does a more convincing job driving more demanding loads, and exhibits less noise (almost imperceptible) with fussy multi-driver IEMs.

I much prefer the 4.4mm balanced connection on the WM1Z to the 2.5mm one on the Q2PR. I’ve seen far too many broken 2.5mm sockets in my time to want to use that connection on the go.

I have a personal preference, for everything except size and weight, for the WM1Z. I don’t know that I can say I think the difference in sound is worth the $2,000 difference in price (maybe $1,500 difference if both units are used), but as an overall package the WM1Z is my personal DAP of choice currently.


#24

Oddly enough, I took the QP2R to “the office” today … since I have the Yggdrasil I usually keep there at home to take some pictures for an upcoming review.

Feeding the Massdrop x HD58X and HE4XX (particularly clean), both of which I picked up for an entry-level setup comparison, it did a really nice job. Able to attain more volume than I needed (though needing high-gain and high-bias settings to do so properly with the HE4XX), and still maintaining decent authority and composure while doing so.

I’ll say that I still think the sound is generally excellent, and better than many AK4490-based DAPS … especially when it comes to dynamics.

I do not care for the navigation on the unit though. While simple, consistent, and easy to understand (unlike, say, the “Calyx M” - which to this day holds the distinction for the most incomprehensible UI I’ve seen in a DAP), it isn’t 2001 anymore. My issue isn’t with the scroll wheel … though that’s definitely a “Marmite” thing at this point, it’s more about the lack of scaled/accelerative scrolling.

And for the second time since I’ve had it, it decided to reset itself today. Powering it on resulted in it coming up on the language selection screen again, with all of its settings back to the defaults. No clue what causes this - I have to assume some random bug in the OS on power-up as it has never crashed or frozen (etc.) during use.

Probably time I did a proper review of the unit, with appropriate comparisons …


#25

How have you been liking these? I have a pair also and find them to be great intro headphones, and a newby recommendation for jump in point along with the HD58X.


#26

They’re quite good. The top end can get a bit uncouth, and there’s some reticence/lack of presence, but the mid-range is pretty neutral and the bass is clean and flat. Not a bad introduction to the planar world, and without having to put up with an overly warm/dark delivery that has been a bit of a trademark for entry-to-mid-level planar cans for too long now.

Ironically they feel better built that some of HiFiMan’s much more expensive cans.

I do take issue with HiFiMan deciding to put the connector entry in a little recess though … as it’s far too shallow to offer any kind of strain relief or protection at all, but just deep enough to seriously limit what connectors can be used with them if you want to use other cables. That was just dumb.

They’re also a nice complement to the HD58X, which tends to be a little more resolving, but is less comfortable (unless you bend the headband … I still think their out-of-the-box clamping pressure is a bit too much), and not quite as even from the midrange down, and doesn’t have quite the same bass extension.

Both are solid choices, and getting similar performance to either would have been more expensive a couple of years ago to what it would now take to build a full system around them.


#27

I have had a couple of the HE4XX and none of the cables that came with them worked, Massdrop was good about giving me a credit for one of them the other I didn’t bother with reporting it. Other than that I’ve found similar experiences with them that you describe. I found nd them to be well built and sound great for the cost. I also usually like.p them together with the 58X as my “just buy these” to people just jumping into headphones. I may get have to add the NiBL to that also, or maybe the G.SDAC and Monoprice Cavali liquid.


#28

Good to hear the HD 58X and HE 4XX are good compliments. I need to reintroduce both back into my collection as the HE 4XX I had previously still stands as my Go to 1st Planar recommendation.

Though I’d like to compare the HD 58X with stuff like the K702 and DT 880 before it earns it’s place in the sub $200 recommendation zone

Non the less, I had a chance to review the QP2R a while back and found myself quite enamored with it!

Without further ado let’s dive into the Questyle QP2R!

Packing is modest and it does the job, also a thank you to Todd The Vinyl Junkie for setting up this QP2R Tour!

So some background on the Questyle Dap, unlike traditional circuits, Questyle opt for Current Mode amplification. In short if my understanding is correct, the Voltage levels are fixed and the current is what amplifies. Unlike a traditional amp design in which the Current is Fixed and the Voltage is what’s amplified, either way it operates in a pure Class A “current mode.” The Questyle website has more information for those inclined!

Another unique feature of the amp is the Bias Control, again when the amp’s under a heavy load setting the Class A Current Mode Bias to High helps to eliminate high frequency harmonic distortion. An most of you know that excessive distortion translates to noise, so any time we can reduce added distortion there are audible benefits assuming the load is “heavy” enough. Either way for my listening purposes I kept it set to High always. As a result battery life has been a little less than what’s quoted but nothing too unmanageable.

Seeing as this is my first foray into Top of the Line Digital Audio Players I tested this one again’st quite a few of my own home systems and headphones!

How ever I only listened to the QP2R with it’s 3.5mm Single End and 2.5mm Balanced Out. I didn’t test it as a USB Driver Dac Amp nor did I use the Line Out Settings… but I think you need the HiFi Hub to get that feature… which I’m not a fan of. With the HiFi Hub the total cost of the unit creeps upwards of $1700, and while price isn’t my concerns it’s the very stationary and cumbersome nature of the Hub and the price increase I don’t like. I got portable for well portability! Having a built in LineOut without any additional bulk means a lot to ME and those who will be using this as both an analog and digital source. Non the less though, at it’s $1300 price point functioning purely as a standalone Digital Audio Player I do have to admit it’s performance is stellar! Well worth the asking price.

I found that with my HD 800 and the 2.5mm balanced output the QP2R had;

  • Exceptional naturalness in the mid range
    • Listening to Epica’s The Divine Conspiracy I heard details in Simone and her husbands voice I’d not heard before!
  • Exceptionally low noise
    • Or it presented a very black sound
      • Silence was inky and this lack of noise again lead to exceptional resolve
  • Textured but smooth response
    • The overall lack of distortion really yields a smoother well resolved sound in both the mid range and upper end
      • No lack of detail or extension in the mids and up top, rather slightly more detail than I was expecting with no added harshness or grain
    • Fatigue free listening
  • Fairly Soft Low End
    • Sufficient definition and texture, but slightly lacking in solidity and power
      • Kick drums lacked that “KICK” and an aggressive bass guitar riff was a little smeared
      • Cellos and Painos had beautiful timbre, tone and texture but again electrical instruments and percussion were slightly soft
  • Lack of Headroom
    • With my most dynamic tracks I was only able to get an average of 83 dBs about 4 less than what I prefer to listen to [87 dBs averaged]

I also ran the Audeze MX 4 balanced out with an OCC Copper Cable from the 2.5mm on the QP2R, I found it to be;

  • Clean, Clear but could extend a little deeper
    • Good power and slam with exceptional texture!
      • Here is where I found the High Bias to make a noticeable differance
    • Electric Bass Guitar riffs were dynamic, punchy with good bitw
    • Kick drums had IMPACT
    • An larger drums like the Timpani had a powerful heavy but slightly hollow sound as I expect them to
    • Though some of the deepest notes were slightly withdrawn
  • Energetic Up Top
    • Had just enough clarity and presance
    • Percussion was snappy and never harsh
  • Natural Mid Range
    • Again beautiful smooth but textured mid range
      • Harmonic content resolves nicely, beautiful release on guitars, vocals and stringed wood body instruments
      • Vocals have a nice little bit of added sweetness to them
  • Intimate still but spacious
    • Precision is acceptable but cohesiveness and clarity in resolving complexly layered content is evident

With some a little more efficient I felt the QP2R really shined, it’s natural and smooth but still dynamic and detailed presentation came through better with the Gain set to medium or lower and with more efficient current hungry planars than more voltage hungry dynamics like the HD 800 which often couldn’t quite get to reference listening levels nor maintain a solid low end.

Ultimately though, with two different loads I deemed the QP2R to always present;

  • An exceptionally low noise floor
    • Inky black background
      • So much so that there were some details presented to me by the QP2R that I’d not heard before out of my own home system!
        • An upon level matching I did in-fact identify such details in my home system but the slight addition of added noise made said details fall just shy of my notice in previous listening sessions
  • Exceptionally low distortion
    • Allowing for incredible resolve with no added fatigue or harshness
    • Both Micro Detail and transients were exceptionally vivid
    • With no lack of dynamics
  • Natural Timbre and tonality
    • Again both the fundamental and harmonic content of instruments and vocalists alike were always crystal clear
  • Optimized for more Efficient Loads
    • Often running out of steam with more voltage hungry loads
    • Often losing some extension on the very deepest reaches with quieter tracks

So simply put, Questyle’s newest reference digital audio player does everything we’d want it to! In my case it replicated and sometimes exceeded the quality of my own home system! It’s only faults lie in a slight lack of power overall and definition down low.

Switching to my home system some of what’s gained or clearer in the mid range and up becomes some what less vivid but there’s added vividness and clarity down low. So again, I’m impressed given how small the unit is that it keeps paces with my current reference system.

Non the less, let’s get into more specifics on how the QP2R compared to my other systems! Both portable and desktop.

Starting with my my Singled Ended and Mid Range Portables

With my Modded ES10 the QP2R;

  • Simply out classed the Singled Ended Shanling M3S & Aune B1S system completely with it’s own 3.5mm Single Ended output
  • Simply out classed my Geek Out V2+ with it’s own 2.5mm Balanced Output

Which I was a little shocked by, as my Geek Out v2+ gave the Hugo 2 [USB] a run for it’s money, in this comparison the QP2R showed no mercy and clearly beat the Geek Out V2+

How ever with my Single Ended HM901/HeadAmp Pico Power system I found that;

  • The HM901/HeadAmp Pico Power System was overall better
    • Had a more linear response
      • Powerful and taut low bass
      • Very Clean slightly drier mid range
      • Better Top end extension
  • Where as the QP2R fell a bit behind
    • It wasn’t any quiter or blacker
    • Had a slight forwardness in the mid range that’s apparent with this super sensitive OnEar
    • Had a slight over-emphasize on ambient noise
      • Not so much mechanical noises but stuff like floor board creaking
      • In a sense these details were more vivid but overly so
    • Just fell short of drawing me into the music
      • Technically it wasn’t up to par with the HM901/PicoPower System
      • An the Timbre was as inviting as the with HM901/PicoPower System

So that kinda threw me for a loop! As it would seem the QP2R handles what I would consider moderately difficult loads best. As with the sensitive ES10 and the Difficult to Drice LCD 2 PreFazor it didn’t wow me like it did with the MX4 and HD 800.

Speaking of the Pre Fazor LCD 2, output from the QP2R

  • Again out classes the Geek Out v2+ in terms of technicalities
    • However the tonality and timbre were noticeable drier and kinda shouty?!
  • So Your preference tonally may dictate how much you appreciate the improved technicalities

However compared to my HM901/PB2 System the QP2R falls a little short every where but the bass ironicaly;

  • Tonality is noticeable drier
    • An some how less natural than the Hm901/PB2 System
  • Background noise is reduced
    • So micro detail is sometimes better but odd tonality often skews some transients
  • Ambient noise is exaggerated
    • Again the normally the LCD 2 is quite dark, but for some odd reasons with the QP2R it’s noticeably brighter
    • Macro Dynamics are also some what exaggerated at the expense of micro dynamics
  • Bass is quite textured however
    • I’m assuming it’s because of the slightly more difficult load requirements of the current hungry Pre Fazor,

All in all I’m finding that I prefer my PreFazor LCD 2 on both of my ESS Sabre portables that have the high Frequency roll off digital filters.

So all in all I feel that with more modern offerings the QP2R would do well, with loads that are more standard. As the ES 10 is hyper efficient and the LCD 2 PreFazor on the opposite end of the spectrum. So cans like the LCD 2F would pair very well with the QP2R as would things like the DT 880/1990 and Hifiman HE 560. Though let’s move upwards to other TOTL systems in my home!

Staring with the HD 800 vs the HM901 & iBasso PB2 System

Before we go further you should know my iBasso PB2 is modified with;

  • LME 49990 High Performance OpAmps
  • High Current Buffers
  • Dedicated Portable Power Supply Unit
    • The internal battery has been removed and all power is kept at a stable & Constant 16V

Non the less, compared to this portable system with the HD 800 I found the;

  • Bass
    • Tauter and more defined with HM901/PB2 System
      • Namely big timpani drums maintained a great sense of impact and weight, while balancing the hollow resonant trails that follow each strike
    • Kick Drums hit harder, faster and had a cleaner envelope overall
  • Mid Range
    • Quite dry on the HM901/PB2 System
      • At times this was an advantage especially with Epica
        • Where beautifully warm wood bodied classical instruments are over laid with heavily distorted guitars
      • Though at times it was a disadvantage
        • Such as with Rebecca Pigeon’s Spanish Harlem where the timbre of each instrument was slightly drier than reality
    • Wetter but no less defined with the Q2PR
      • With Heavy Metal the added wetness some times detracted from the aggressiveness of the track as a whole
      • But with softer acoustic pieces the presentation was more natural with no “dryness”
  • Top End
    • Each unit had it’s own advantages and disadvantageous
      • The HM901/PB2 system had clearly better top end extension which resulted in a better sense of pace & rhythm and time especially in percussion but it could also be fatiguing depending on the mastering
      • The QP2R was smoother up top, so while it didn’t always have that vibrant sense of presence, rhythm and time it was never fatiguing
    • Resolve/Imaging
      • Volume matched each had no clear advantage over the other, how ever the increased headroom of the PB2 System allowed for “reference” listening levels at which slightly more resolve/imaging precision is possible due to a more even tonal perception

Now compared to my Reference SET Tube Amp the QP2R;

  • Only had the advantage of a blacker background
    • Some detail in the mid range and up was more apparent but there was a lack of control and extension on the lowest registers of the audible spectrum
  • More or less replicated and matched the cohesiveness and overall precision in imaging
  • More or less replicated or matched my Desktop Amps sense of presence and tactility
    • Except in the lows
    • My Desktop Amp consistently presented a more detailed more controlled low end
  • Struggled to provide sufficient headroom
    • Again with tracks that had exceptional dynamic range the QP2R was not able to bring these tracks up to at least 87 dBs on average

But overall with my HD 800 I can say for the vast majority of my collection the QP2R made for an excellent single box solution for some of you it’s added simplicity and blacker background may be preferential over having a bulkier portable system with slightly more noise but sufficient head room and more controlled lows.

In either case Questyle certainly designed this product to very exceptionally match a desktop system on the go!

Moving to the MX4, with the HM901/PB2 System I noticed;

  • Bass
    • Tighter more and more controlled over all
      • So big drums had more power
      • Kick drums had more impact
      • An large stringed instruments had a slightly more resolved or more audible fret action
  • Mids
    • Mid-range quality on each was fairly similar
      • The QP2R was a smidge wetter and more natural so with a drier master or set of instruments it sounded more Natural
      • Where as the HM901/PB2 System was drier so with a wetter master, or a set of instruments with a lot of harmonic content THIS system sounded more natural
  • Highs
    • With the QP2R system the MX4 did lose some vibrancy up top
    • Where as the HM901/PB2 System was no less smooth but more vibrant
      • I feel this has to do with the rougher presentation of the HM901 System combined with it’s own HF Roll Off Filter allowing the texture of slight over emphasis to be present without the fatigue
  • Resolve/Imaging
    • The QP2R did take a slight edge forward in overall resolve because of it’s blacker output
    • However the more defined low end with the HM901/PB2 System did help to retain better precision in imaging

Now comparing the QP2R to my own Reference Hybrid Tube Amp

  • Bass
    • Again better power and extension
  • Mids
    • Now this is where things get interesting as;
      • The QP2R is equally natural but presents a slightly clearer more defined envelope
        • Allowing for the texture of stringed instruments
        • The unique vibrato of a vocalists
        • The unique harmonic decay/release of guitars
        • An other micro detail present in the mid range was a bit more resolved
      • My Project Ember II with a Classic Grade Psvanne CBT 181-T Mk2 was;
        • Fuller but not as detailed… period
  • Highs
    • Again the QP2R was;
      • Clearer with a sharper attack
    • Where as the Ember II was;
      • A little smoother without as much emphasis on the leading edge
  • Resolve/Imaging
    • Now dynamics are were the QP2R falls slightly behind the Ember II as;
      • The Ember II more clearly resolved micro and macro dynamics
      • An in many cases the Ember II was able to very realistically build to a crescendo
    • Where as the QP2R was;
      • Sharper but a tad over enthusiastic at times
      • Struggles with an accurate presentation of Pace, Rhythm and Time
      • Failed to draw me into any passage of music that gradually builds tension through changes in volume
    • However overall detail and precision in imaging was fairly similar between each
      • Again the QP2R has a blacker background
        • But doesn’t seem to respond as quickly to the demands of busier passages of music
      • Where as the Ember II is a bit nosier
        • but handles changes in amplification needs more linearly, how ever add noise kinda nullifies some of the advantageous it has here

All in all I’m quite impressed with the QP2R, while I found it’s lacking in some digital convinces as a purely analog digital audio player it’s excellent! Seeing as I personally prefer my DAPs run purely offline and exclusively in the analog domain I feel that the QP2R is totally deserving of it’s flagship status! I’ve always been a dedicated DAP & Line Out To Portable Amp guy but with the MX4 and Questyle’s excellent on board current mode topology I could happily accept this as my end game reference portable!


#29

Nice write up and what a great read. There’s bags of info too. I use my Pioneer XDP-300r for offline listening to Spotify and my Flac’s. I love My Dap and find it very convenient.